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some strange reason all the entrances of the Dutch Forum Archive were
left out. I cannot present them to you, as Alois
Treindle not only expelled me from his Forum, but he also deleted
all other in Dutch written ADB Forum contributions, without
explaining any clear reason for it. What was his problem with the
contributions from in the Zwolle residing people like Thomas a
Everything about astrological research
- Ray Murphy: This thread has
been started so that anything related to astrological research can
mentioned, and I suggest that challenging and questions should be
very welcome if we are to make some headway. Where will we start?
(case study, anecdotal information)
Jamie Partridge: Astrological indicators of attention
deficit-hyperactivity disorder (ADHD) and attention deficit disorder
a chart candidate Fred Polak
- Thank you Ganglion for the new test
with excellent list of events.
In the ADB you add his illness on July 1953, but this important
event is not in the list.
a chart candidate Eelco Van Kleffens
- For those interested in rectifying
charts, this could be a candidate.
This time we have no end day and no official contest. Just propose
the time you need.
I propose one month reflection/discussion on which planets should be
found on the cusps, in which houses and why.
a chart candidate Henri Winkelmann
- on: 15.09.2016 at 00:00 [UT+1]
Quote: Commander-in-chief of the Armed forces of the Netherlands
during the German invasion of the Netherlands.
The Astrodienst biography given concentrates on for astrologers
relevant information not given in the Wikipedia. More could be
added. Important changes will be recorded in this thread.
@Richard Starkman: The BC time of 4h30 AM differs only 10 minutes
from your proposed time.
So congratulations again.
- Hello Everybody, my name is Ian
Murphy. I'm fairly new here but i've been experimenting &
reading up on astrology since 2018. More recently, I've been trying
to figure out how to go about rectification. If anyone has any
suggestions for me I'm all ears.
I kept seeing Isaac Starkman's Rectifications on Astro Databank &
decided to test them out using Johndro's system. Remarkably,
Starkman seems to have hit the nose nearly every time i generated
paragraphs. However, the stuff to run his app "Polaris"
keeps crashing on me. Anyone who is curious just download virtualbox
6.1.18 along with windows xp iso, transfer the files into the
virtualbox & then it should run.
I wanted to see other options out there & came across Hank
Friedman's ultimate guide when it comes to astro software. He did
not have polaris listed on his website from what i could tell so i
"Unless you are a Vedic astrologer who uses Varga charts to
rectify the birth time, there is no software that really makes a
difference, I've tested them all & they're worthless - Hank"
When asked about special techniques, he told me that western
rectifications were the most challenging & took many hours per
chart as opposed to vedic which is simple & takes minutes.
real Aquarian (case study, anecdotal information)
- Ray Murphy: Many years ago I
was on a sub-committee that was organizing an end of year astrology
party (which included entertainment) and it all went remarkably
smoothly. Finally when all the plans had been put in place we sat
back congratulating ourselves, I said to one of the other
astrologers "Hasn't this been an amazing experience -- all of
us working together so well without anyone actually leading us?"
She snapped back with a knowing smirk "Whaddya mean - No one
leading - I was put in charge of leading the group, but my Triple
Aquarius made me keep the groups ideas in mind first, instead of
just my own!"
words with chart factors (just another approach to prove the
truth of mime's)
Ray Murphy: Hi All, I will be writing a trial program that
aims to show astrological factors based on the frequent use of
various words when large amounts of general conversation or books
etc are processed.
research tool now released (Just look and find as any fool could
expect. No mention of the usual standard error found in adbstats)
The new Astrodatabank research tool has now been released for
general use, after a few months of testing. It allows selection of
Astrodatabank data by numerous astrological criteria with many
combinations. Subscribers of the service 'extended data storage' can
also search their own database with the same search patterns:
as divination (See also Geoffrey Cornelius: The Moment of
Astrology. Origins in Divination. Or IMO more likely origins in
prejudices that negatively influenced the population growt of
China. Or must we convert to Chinese astrology to understand the more
maya problem? I prefer to do some more empirical reseach, before
answering these yes or no on speculations.
Waybread: After years of trying to get my head around the
question of why astrology works (if it does) I have been edging
towards the answer as divination. What do you think?
Waybread inspired me to write
astrologie volgens Dane Rudhyar (Dutch).
Dit is mijn kritische commentaar
op een veelvuldig door astrologen aangehaald artikel: Statistical
Astrology and Individuality. Maar waar ging het Rudhyar nu
eigenlijk om: Kwaliteit op maat verkiezen boven kwantiteit, zoals
Mr. Chair: How could astrology be important for society at
this time or in the future? Do any of you believe that your
astrological work is ultimately for the benefit of society, whether
through small or large contributions? Are there ways that people
think astrology could be applied beneficially if it's usefulness
were demonstrated to people in control (I'm using the term "people
in control" vaguely)? How has astrology been beneficial so far?
How does this contrast with how it is most often used?
Hi. This a beginner's question. I read astrology books and articles
where the author states, if the owner of the astrologer chart has
this aspect, this is likely to be true. How have astrology
statements been tested, or researched or proven? For example a
person with sun in aries is said to be more impulsive than other
signs. Has that ever been tested? I am sure it would be hard to
isolate chart factors for testing. Please do not give a history
lesson here. How is current astrology research done? And how is past
astrology proven? Where can I find this research?
sol anteni (Dutch: slak's
linker antenne): Have you ever visited the links below? Vocation
: Art Critic / Adb
(See also: Data
mining and The
Hello, I've studied distribution of birth dates in connection with a
lifetime using birth and death records and found there is a higher
risk of premature death exist for people born in certain seasons of
an year - for each geographiocal area correspond different season.
Also I've found a higher rate of both exaltation and detriment of
Venus according to the Human Design System in serial killer-rapists
charts. My code repository: https://github.com/nadezhdin-ivan/shdt
. Please use personal message if you need any additional info. Thank
Ray Murphy: I've just had a look at the serial killers (more
than one murder) and was able to use 1642 with birth dates showing.
've just had a look at the serial killers (more than one murder) and
was able to use 1642 with birth dates showing. I found it a bit slow
converting the file into an astrology research file (CSV format)
because the number of tab-delimited fields in your data varies.
I noticed that there are more Suns in tropical Leo + Aquarius, but
not enough to be impressive.
I also looked at aspects and found these:
(1) SUN con MOO < 10 degs =26% above the theoretical mean
(2) MOO con URA < 6 degs = 35% above the theoretical mean
These two things look very interesting indeed.
Houlding: Why is the Al Biruni page biography so bad? For all
his wonderful achievements, all it says on him is: "Arabic
mathematician, historian, astronomer and astrologer. He was
notorious as a gross sensualist, infamous for excesses in food,
drink and sex. Died 12/13/1048 OS, Ghazni, Afghanistan."
Then gives link to WP which talks all about his achievements as an
astrologer and astronomer.
It is not often I think WP does a better job of detailing
astro-biographies than astrologers do, but this page on astro.com
must seem hugely offensive for those who live in the areas where
they celebrate his life and scientific achievements. This stuff
about him being some kind of sexual pervert - where is that coming
I thought I would report as I wondered whether this page had been
wired differently (Yes, all individual brains are wired
differently of course. So what? Have you ever studied Brain's
anatomy, before you claim to pretend to understand the individual
exceptions? Only fools can do claims like this).
- Ray Murphy: This
is a serious question, and it may even be saying something about me
to be asking it, but have other posters noticed that besides the
expected differences between people due to chart factors and
environment, that some people have difficulty in accepting or even
comprehending a FEW standard thought patterns or customs?
I had never noticed it until several years ago, and then I
encountered several people like it.
Three Little Birds: Do you have an example? I think I
understand your question but I'd rather be sure.
Leo become Taurus if he wishes to ?
versus Sirius. Sein oder Sollen?
Please show a little respect for the sun. The orb = 15 degrees. The
SUN sign .
do we resolve astrological sectarianism?
Nader Abed: When I got deep into astrology it became very
apparent that many have splintered off to whatever it was they were
doing saying stuff like 'astrology can/cannot do x or y' to meanings
over the outer planets and asteroids, to whatever house system was
best, to tropical vs sidereal accuracy, to whether hellenistic
astrology was outdated, etc. I have been wondering if
astrologically, all of this sectarianism can be resolved.
Goede vraag. Ik denk nooit. Alleen een gek als Putin die met de
atoombom knoppen speelt denkt het in zijn hand te hebben. Maar een
enkele kogel of iets in de thee is al genoeg om die gek te doden.
Zoals hij ook aldoor met zijn vermeende opponenten afrekende.
Bias - does it undermineastrology?
I have been through quite a dramatic shift in my worldview in the
past few years, vaguely summarized by a questioning of faith based
belief systems like religion and astrology and a greater reliance on
critical thinking and science.
Lee Rutland: Well, unfortunately, confirmation bias is used
in every field, from history, to the Theory of Evolution, to global
warming. There is no escaping it.
Lee Rutland maakt hier ogenschijnlijk een punt. Het is een pot nat.
Want ook in iedere wetenschap kan bias een rol spelen. Daarom doen
normale wetenschappers hun best om bias te voorkomen. En bespreken ze
ook publiekelijk de tekortkomingen (flaws) van hun empirisch
probleem hier is dat Astrology niet aan die wetenschappelijke regels
voldoet. En dus bestaat ze niet.
De astrologen die
Astrology als een real science propageren, gedragen zich namelijk
eerder als een beter wetend Ego dan als zijn Inner Observer. Ze gaan
bij hun speculaties over de wereld teveel van hun toevallig
aangeleerde boekenkennis en tradities uit dan van de al bestaande
prediction in astrology
- Forum Admin:
Chart deleted by moderator, rule violation.
Forum Admin: Be sure that we would not permit the planning of
war, murder or suicide on the forum. Not everything needs to be
written in the rules, we can make them up as situations come along.
We also expect some common sense in this community. As can be seen
in many responses, it is in fact there. We have nothing against
astrologers doing predicions of any kind in their private office,
sitting face to face with their clients whom they have known over a
long time, and who are paying them. There, they may predict illness
and death as much as their client is willing to take. What an
astrologers does in his practice is within his domain of
responsibility. What is clear to me is that astrologers who play the
game of death prediction are not in it "to help their clients".
They are in it because they feel it gives them tremendous power.
This power game has been played by some astrologers since
millennia. Just do not play it on our forum.
Waybread: Horary astrology operates differently, but if
anyone here has mastered its methods sufficiently to confidently
assert the snuff-out date for another human being, they can do this
in some other venue. (Really? What is the evidence?)
Waybread: Are you "low" in a given element in your
chart-- or do you care about someone in this situation? How does it
manifest? (Asking for the confirmation bias)
U kunt over deze vraag in een individueel geval eindeloos speculeren,
maar uiteindelijk gaat het om de gevonden feiten in groepen. En dan
is de meest voor de hand liggende onderzoeksvraag: Zijn bepaalde ADB
categorieën astrologisch gezien gebrekkig in iets? Maar als we
in die groepen niets bijzonders zien, dan valt de logica en
aannemelijkheid van uw astrologische hypothese wel uit elkaar.
and astrology- share your thoughts
I took an Enneagram
Personality Test and came up as a Type 4 (The Romantic/Artist)
with Type 2 (The Helper) being the next highest result--all others
were so low that they did not even count. Since Enneagram testing
takes one's Sun Sign into account, how accurate is this field of
study in fleshing out one's personal understanding of the self?
- guessing game
- Hi everyone!
Many years ago we used to do mystery exercises or guessing games. It
was a great and fun way to practice, to test your skills, and to
It worked like this: someone would post a chart providing a few
options; all of them were false except for just one. Other forum
members guessed which option was the right one, based on
astrological reasoning. The winner had the privilege to post the
next mystery chart and so on.
We usually gave a whole week for each exercise before providing the
right answer to the forum members. A week was more than enough time
for everyone to check the chart and think about their answer.
So, here is the first one. I'll be posting the right answer next
Wednesday, June 3rd, 2020.
Only one answer is correct.
This is the chart of a man who is a:
1. Perfumist setenced to jail for poisoning his only child.
2. Priest and teacher secretly tormented by his latent homosexuality
3. Jewelry seller and scammer with a serious drinking problem.
4. Local news reporter killed in an explosion while covering a
Which answer do you think is the right one and why?
all astrology valid?
- Ed Falis
Member Posts: 592 Gender: male
« Reply #5 - on: 27.11.2020 at 22:22 [UT] »
I think of astrology as being most closely analogous to math and its
Both are formal symbolic systems with methods for manipulating their
symbols. Those rules, which ultimately are based on assumptions, are
applied to various fields (eg medical astrology, etc). The astrology
case of doing that is broadly similar to applied math for science
and engineering (and less formal use).
In both cases, all levels are subject to learning through
experience, and development over time. Fundamental math and science
have better developed methodology (the study of methods) than
astrology does. But they are still subject to these constraints.
Both have applications that can be better or worse developed. Both
can have more or less rigorous methods for assessing "logical"
consistency, and for assessing accuracy and precision of their
representations and their use.
So it's only natural that like math and its application, astrology
has fields where the state of knowledge is more or less developed
and valid vs bunkum.
I find the above a useful and practical way of thinking about
astrology and its nature. The "royal sciences".
- When checking my
chart for a possible correlation with a long-ongoing skin complaint
(yeah-yeah, s.p. EmMN-Asc.!), I added the quintiles and bi-quintiles
To my surprise, it showed a triangle between Moon-Jupiter-Uranus
....2 Bi-quintiles to a quintile base.
of ADB data for research
- Thank you very much by bringing the ADB to open source. This
will yield a boost to the few astrologers that only
believe in significant statistical facts. Maybe many astrology books
have to be rewritten, but that paradigm change problem
also happened many times before in the scientific revolutions.
I got banned as an ADB editor and AstroDienst Forum member, but the
good news was that I had more time to do the much needed astrological
did you learn astrology?
- Participating on this forum can teach you a lot, especially if
you already have a basic understanding of astrology.
There are a number of participants here who can explain different
methods when charts are examined. I try to pick up the particular
methods some people use that may differ from my own approach. Most
capable astrologers have some basic technique they rely on or trust
to give them a starting point on a chart. It may be the way they use
house rulerships, or the way they do solunar returns, or the way
they use progressions, or profections; or Sect to sort out the
dominant planets; or exactitude of a major aspect like a square or
opposition or conjunction to give them a point of difference; or the
chart pattern, or certain focal determinators . And there are lots
of chart examples sometimes very well timed, to discover admidst the
postings that can help test your charts and methods. And sometimes
there are excellent tests where anonymous charts are posted that you
can try to match up .
do you check your conclusions?
- How do you check your conclusions?
« on: 14.07.2011 at 06:28 [UT+1] »
How do you question astrological claims, whether they are from you,
a fellow astrologer, or a book? In determining technique, how do you
deal with nuances that defy the logic behind your technique? If you
read for others, how do you know that the people you are reading for
aren't just gullible? Psychological astrologers, how do you describe
a motive or feeling which isn't entirely rational?
I know that most astrologers don't believe in having the scientific
method predominate astrology (¿¿ NeoAstrology=zzzzz
??), but the astrologers' abilities to check their own conclusions
is what tames the flow of ideas. With ideas running rampant, the
appeal of sectarianism would increase and astrologers would only
continue to argue about their systems.
Please do not limit the discussion to the questions in my
« Last Edit: 14.07.2011 at 21:30 [UT+1] by u209741000 »
Re: How do you check your conclusions?
« Reply #1 - on: 14.07.2011 at 07:31 [UT+1] »
This is the very best question I have read in this forum so far
is astrology research done by the researchers?
- I appreciate your open attitude. I feel you are really
interested in the state of the art.
I have a medical background. One of my tasks is to inform/advise
people about the value of treatments, life style habits and the
Simple questions are: Does cure C1 heals disease D? Or is cure C2
better? What are the side-effects and costs?
Answers on those kind of questions should be found in the medical
literature. For difficult and expensive cures, randomised double
blind trials (RCR) should be done, to rule out all kind of fallacies
(like placebo and by chance effects).
Statistical meta-analysis of several (independent) studies gives the
best evidence (see below). Without giving correct (or the best
available) information, an oncologist advising a cancer patient to
undergo a dangerous cancer treatment could be brought to court.
astrology didn't exist, how could we start?
- « on: 24.04.2014 at 16:56 [UT+1] »
If astrology didn't exist, how could we start now?
Would we in 2014, be noticing correspondences between people's
traits etc and the movement of celestial bodies?
Re: If astrology didn't exist, how could we start?
« Reply #1 - on: 24.04.2014 at 17:07 [UT+1] »
I think we would start by noticing that events repeat regularly. In
the life of particular men and in worldly events. Then we would
search for something else in nature to use as a tool to predict this
The planets are especially good for this as they have regular orbits
that can be calculated mathematically.
However, if astrology didn't exist in 2014 I think it would be very
difficult to start because people seem to be devolving; we live
submerged in endless distractions. Nowadays people in general are
more ignorant, unintelligent and useless than before. Ancient people
were more aware, observant and in contact with their environment.
Just an opinion,
Astrology - Martin Schulman
you think Black Holes have influence?
and astrology of personality
- Numerology is confusing (like astrology and any other belief),
as there are so many versions of it.
. 7th day is reflection on the here and now
. 8 change your mind
. 9 return
Neil Young - Change Your Mind
survey: Is astrology "scientific"?
Distributions Of 219 Psychologists' Charts
categorizing ideas wanted for research
advances in scientific astrology
a chart - a challenge
- Re: Rectifying a chart - a challenge
« Reply #260 - on: 02.01.2016 at 10:35 [UT] »
Quote from PhoenixNoodleSoup on 02.01.2016 at 01:49 [UT]:
So, your saying if you don't provide the name or the source of the
information for Isaacs requisite 32 events prior to his doing the
rectification, he, or someone else, might still be able to find the
person and birth particulars? Except for your having mentioned you
would draw upon Dutch personalities, and even still, I think it
would be difficult. Even exceedingly difficult.
I've had some experience in designing these types of studies into
parapsychology where "outside" sources of information had
to be minimized. I see no reason why Isaac would have to sequester
himself from the internet
Quote from ganglion on 01.01.2016 at 22:24 [UT]:
The only thing that I cannot check for here is that you are not
doing the same as me, retrieving the online BC instead of just using
Polaris. If we could arrange for an environment without access to
the internet whilst the rectification is done that condition could
In the quoted reply, three options were mentioned with regard to the
question which charts to rectify.
1) If we used BC's of more or less public persons found in (here
Dutch) internet archives, then Isaac should obviously be off-line.
The other mentioned options were:
2) Use BC and other data of public people that are retrievable, but
of which the BC is not immediately available as it will be sent to
you as a conventional letter. FI I request the BC via the internet
at Monday 7 PM, the next working day it could be posted, to be
received on Wednesday by me or some other person. This gives Isaac
at least 24 hours to do a rectification, but two days more if we
publish the to be used data on a Friday.
3) Use birth and other data of private people, which could be
provided by forum members.
Option 2 has my preference, as the process is transparent and all
the used data can be published and checked for. It also has a built
in time limit of three days, when using the weekend closed effect of
the municipal archive.
Option 3 has the disadvantage that others, including Isaac, can not
check the provided data.
a chart candidate Jetty Cantor
Ganglion: The next candidate is a Dutch Jewish violinist and cabaret
maker, who survived the Holocaust thanks to her playing music for
a chart candidate Tjalling Koopmans
- Anyone using Jigsaw or Astrodatabank?
- Finding provable categories
- Gauquelin 1472 Painters
- Suicide - Sun-Sun
Testing of Astrology
- Research and discussssion
Consciousness, the Path of Destiny :
Hemisphere astrology - burning question
Huber Approach to Astrology
vedic or sidereal western astrology
lots of marriage date data :
Astrology Add-Ons in the last 150 years
does the chart NOT show?
Alois: It does not show your intelligence, your wealth, your
weight or height, your education, your health, the colour of your
skin, whether you are a Saint, a Nazi, a Communist, a Trumpist or a
normal person, and many other concrete things.
Can Overpower Pluto ?
The slow planet Pluto certainly deals with long-standing planetary
(becoming unconscious cosmic) influences. Slow changes that easily
could trap you. Slow influences/changes could become unnoticed
Frog Experiment :: What do you think is the frog's fate? Watch more.
houses vs other house systems
- Have you folks
ever thought about using your intuition, or "soul's voice",
or such, your internal guidance.... have you considered asking from
that direction, what the planets and signs mean, what is their
"color of influence" if you will, on us?
a chart candidate Arvo Pärt
- This time I have
no BC and /or family related data, so there is no contest. But he
was one of what a Sufi would name, being reborn after ten years of
silence, an awakened person. Not trying to achieve things, but
receiving It / the Divine.
The ADB could be a source of "Aufklärung" and
"Verklärung" if we added more historical data to it,
instead of being happy with a supposed to be unique birth time. The
BC is just the beginning of divine things happening in time.
Pärt: Da Pacem (full album)
- This masterpiece
was composed by Arvo Pärt to pay tribute to all the victims of
the MADRID trains bombings (11th March 2004).
193 were killed and more than 2000 were injured.
REST IN PEACE. ??
A perfect symbiosis of form, movement and music. Wonderful.